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		<title>By: Andrew</title>
		<link>http://benhutton.com/2008/06/23/what-does-it-mean-to-trade-my-sorrows/comment-page-1/#comment-556</link>
		<dc:creator>Andrew</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 17 May 2011 23:34:13 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I agree with David, please look for the good, be scholarly but not overly critical and pompous....songwriting can not evolve with God honoring lyrics? we should only be singing hymns?....come on now</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I agree with David, please look for the good, be scholarly but not overly critical and pompous&#8230;.songwriting can not evolve with God honoring lyrics? we should only be singing hymns?&#8230;.come on now</p>
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		<title>By: David</title>
		<link>http://benhutton.com/2008/06/23/what-does-it-mean-to-trade-my-sorrows/comment-page-1/#comment-473</link>
		<dc:creator>David</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 06 Dec 2010 04:19:05 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>that has got to be the pickiest theological criticism I&#039;ve ever heard! how pathetic. Someone writes a good song helping to encourage Christians to allow the joy of the Lord to be their sustenance and you get all bent out of shape. geez! (you can criticize that one too, can&#039;t you?)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>that has got to be the pickiest theological criticism I&#8217;ve ever heard! how pathetic. Someone writes a good song helping to encourage Christians to allow the joy of the Lord to be their sustenance and you get all bent out of shape. geez! (you can criticize that one too, can&#8217;t you?)</p>
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		<title>By: Daniel</title>
		<link>http://benhutton.com/2008/06/23/what-does-it-mean-to-trade-my-sorrows/comment-page-1/#comment-214</link>
		<dc:creator>Daniel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 08 Jul 2008 16:27:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>This is interesting. From the upcoming DG conference on the power of words:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Tcjylg3wgQ</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>This is interesting. From the upcoming DG conference on the power of words:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Tcjylg3wgQ" rel="nofollow">http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6Tcjylg3wgQ</a></p>
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		<title>By: walt</title>
		<link>http://benhutton.com/2008/06/23/what-does-it-mean-to-trade-my-sorrows/comment-page-1/#comment-210</link>
		<dc:creator>walt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Jul 2008 19:55:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>right, that&#039;s what i thought.  thanks for clarifying that, ben.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>right, that&#8217;s what i thought.  thanks for clarifying that, ben.</p>
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		<title>By: Ben</title>
		<link>http://benhutton.com/2008/06/23/what-does-it-mean-to-trade-my-sorrows/comment-page-1/#comment-204</link>
		<dc:creator>Ben</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Jul 2008 06:19:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>For I consider that the sufferings of this present time ﻿are not worth comparing with the glory that is to be revealed to us. 19 For the creation waits with eager longing for ﻿the revealing of the sons of God. 20 For the creation ﻿was subjected to futility, not willingly, but ﻿because of him who subjected it, in hope 21 that ﻿the creation itself will be set free from its bondage to corruption and obtain the freedom of the glory of the children of God. 22 For we know that ﻿the whole creation ﻿has been groaning together in the pains of childbirth until now. 23 And not only the creation, but we ourselves, who have ﻿the firstfruits of the Spirit, ﻿groan inwardly as ﻿we wait eagerly for adoption as sons, ﻿the redemption of our bodies. - Romans 8:19-23

No, it&#039;s not wrong to long for that.  &quot;We wait eagerly for adoption as sons, the redeption of our bodies.&quot;  In fact, that fits into the &quot;sorrowful yet always rejoicing&quot; paradigm - there is sorrow now but we rejoice with hope that one day there will be no more sorrow.  Paul gets at that in verse 18: &quot;For I consider that the sufferings of this present time ﻿are not worth comparing with the glory that is to be revealed to us.&quot;</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>For I consider that the sufferings of this present time ﻿are not worth comparing with the glory that is to be revealed to us. 19 For the creation waits with eager longing for ﻿the revealing of the sons of God. 20 For the creation ﻿was subjected to futility, not willingly, but ﻿because of him who subjected it, in hope 21 that ﻿the creation itself will be set free from its bondage to corruption and obtain the freedom of the glory of the children of God. 22 For we know that ﻿the whole creation ﻿has been groaning together in the pains of childbirth until now. 23 And not only the creation, but we ourselves, who have ﻿the firstfruits of the Spirit, ﻿groan inwardly as ﻿we wait eagerly for adoption as sons, ﻿the redemption of our bodies. &#8211; Romans 8:19-23</p>
<p>No, it&#8217;s not wrong to long for that.  &#8220;We wait eagerly for adoption as sons, the redeption of our bodies.&#8221;  In fact, that fits into the &#8220;sorrowful yet always rejoicing&#8221; paradigm &#8211; there is sorrow now but we rejoice with hope that one day there will be no more sorrow.  Paul gets at that in verse 18: &#8220;For I consider that the sufferings of this present time ﻿are not worth comparing with the glory that is to be revealed to us.&#8221;</p>
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		<title>By: walt</title>
		<link>http://benhutton.com/2008/06/23/what-does-it-mean-to-trade-my-sorrows/comment-page-1/#comment-202</link>
		<dc:creator>walt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 05 Jul 2008 05:28:26 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>what about heaven/new creation?  we long for a day of no pain, no tears, no shame.  i&#039;m long done attempting to defend this song, but in the context of the theology of the discuss, what do you guys make of that?  is it wrong to long for that day when things are perfect again?  i know it&#039;d be bad to want it solely to be free of these things (just like wanting heaven just because it&#039;s escaping hell is bad), but isn&#039;t it good to want them and thank Jesus that in the end we will no longer be hindered by sickness and pain and sorrow and shame?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>what about heaven/new creation?  we long for a day of no pain, no tears, no shame.  i&#8217;m long done attempting to defend this song, but in the context of the theology of the discuss, what do you guys make of that?  is it wrong to long for that day when things are perfect again?  i know it&#8217;d be bad to want it solely to be free of these things (just like wanting heaven just because it&#8217;s escaping hell is bad), but isn&#8217;t it good to want them and thank Jesus that in the end we will no longer be hindered by sickness and pain and sorrow and shame?</p>
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		<title>By: Ben</title>
		<link>http://benhutton.com/2008/06/23/what-does-it-mean-to-trade-my-sorrows/comment-page-1/#comment-195</link>
		<dc:creator>Ben</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Jul 2008 17:01:11 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actually, I did read the Crosswalk.com &quot;Song Story&quot; before I wrote the blog post.  I found it when I was researching what other people had to say about the song.  You can find it here: http://www.crosswalk.com/1236482/

Here&#039;s a snippet from it: 
During this time, Darrell began to think about his own life. What would he be bringing to the cross? &quot;I got the picture of myself, too, on my knees at the cross. What would I be laying down in my own life?&quot; he recalls. &quot;The initial ideas of my sorrows and shame, and sickness and pain were rolling around in me-especially shame. That was a big one, as I though about my own failures and mistakes in life. I thought, Man, I&#039;d like to trade those things in. And so I began singing that, which became the opening lines to the song.&quot; [END SNIPPET]

I don&#039;t think we&#039;re far off with our assessment - notice how at the end he is thinking, &quot;Man, I&#039;d like to trade those things in.&quot;  That basically hits on my mutual exclusion point - that the song is teaching us that Joy and ____ are mutually exclusive.  And there is NO indication that he&#039;s taking Walt&#039;s alternative definitions of what all those words mean.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually, I did read the Crosswalk.com &#8220;Song Story&#8221; before I wrote the blog post.  I found it when I was researching what other people had to say about the song.  You can find it here: <a href="http://www.crosswalk.com/1236482/" rel="nofollow">http://www.crosswalk.com/1236482/</a></p>
<p>Here&#8217;s a snippet from it:<br />
During this time, Darrell began to think about his own life. What would he be bringing to the cross? &#8220;I got the picture of myself, too, on my knees at the cross. What would I be laying down in my own life?&#8221; he recalls. &#8220;The initial ideas of my sorrows and shame, and sickness and pain were rolling around in me-especially shame. That was a big one, as I though about my own failures and mistakes in life. I thought, Man, I&#8217;d like to trade those things in. And so I began singing that, which became the opening lines to the song.&#8221; [END SNIPPET]</p>
<p>I don&#8217;t think we&#8217;re far off with our assessment &#8211; notice how at the end he is thinking, &#8220;Man, I&#8217;d like to trade those things in.&#8221;  That basically hits on my mutual exclusion point &#8211; that the song is teaching us that Joy and ____ are mutually exclusive.  And there is NO indication that he&#8217;s taking Walt&#8217;s alternative definitions of what all those words mean.</p>
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		<title>By: robin</title>
		<link>http://benhutton.com/2008/06/23/what-does-it-mean-to-trade-my-sorrows/comment-page-1/#comment-194</link>
		<dc:creator>robin</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 04 Jul 2008 16:09:44 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>funny how you guys all expound on what the song means and the intention, etc. I tried to read all the posts carefully but didn&#039;t seen any suggestion that you might want to look at what the AUTHOR of the song says about why he wrote the song and what his intention was. do you think he&#039;s just making that up?? one webite is crosswalk.com then search for &quot;song story&quot; trading my sorrows.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>funny how you guys all expound on what the song means and the intention, etc. I tried to read all the posts carefully but didn&#8217;t seen any suggestion that you might want to look at what the AUTHOR of the song says about why he wrote the song and what his intention was. do you think he&#8217;s just making that up?? one webite is crosswalk.com then search for &#8220;song story&#8221; trading my sorrows.</p>
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		<title>By: Daniel Cox</title>
		<link>http://benhutton.com/2008/06/23/what-does-it-mean-to-trade-my-sorrows/comment-page-1/#comment-166</link>
		<dc:creator>Daniel Cox</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Jun 2008 04:44:09 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I&#039;m sorry walt, I didn&#039;t mean to offend you. (In fact, I intended to make you laugh. I guess it wasn&#039;t funny.) The purpose of my rewritings was more that of humor than to make a statement. My statement was the more serious part, and I hold to it.

Realize that I&#039;m not worried about any of us at all. The very fact that we&#039;re having this discussion means we understand the song, and that we could sing it with the correct motives, and to the glory of God.

I&#039;m worried about everyone else. I *do* think that the song has a *very high probability* of being misinterpreted. I therefor condemn the verse which, taken at face value, leads us to a misunderstanding of something important.

You mentioned that &quot;rejecting someone&#039;s craft is like rejecting a part of them.&quot; I see no problem with rejecting the part of the author of this song that chose catchy lyrics over clear and correct ones. If he was here I would discuss his error with him as gently as I could, and I hope he would agree.

Songwriters have tremendous influence. I hold them to high standards because they have such power. They ought to be critiqued, and they ought to be helped to a greater understanding of the material they write.

By the way, I like this song. I think it&#039;s dangerous and I like it at the same time. :) I especially like &quot;pressed but not crushed, persecuted not abandonded. Struck down but not destroyed. I am blessed beyond the curse for His promise will endure; His joy comes with the morning.&quot; Perhaps, sing it all you want? Just let&#039;s never play it in a context where it could be misinterpreted (or maybe correctly interpreted - maybe the author really did mean heresy, I don&#039;t know).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I&#8217;m sorry walt, I didn&#8217;t mean to offend you. (In fact, I intended to make you laugh. I guess it wasn&#8217;t funny.) The purpose of my rewritings was more that of humor than to make a statement. My statement was the more serious part, and I hold to it.</p>
<p>Realize that I&#8217;m not worried about any of us at all. The very fact that we&#8217;re having this discussion means we understand the song, and that we could sing it with the correct motives, and to the glory of God.</p>
<p>I&#8217;m worried about everyone else. I *do* think that the song has a *very high probability* of being misinterpreted. I therefor condemn the verse which, taken at face value, leads us to a misunderstanding of something important.</p>
<p>You mentioned that &#8220;rejecting someone&#8217;s craft is like rejecting a part of them.&#8221; I see no problem with rejecting the part of the author of this song that chose catchy lyrics over clear and correct ones. If he was here I would discuss his error with him as gently as I could, and I hope he would agree.</p>
<p>Songwriters have tremendous influence. I hold them to high standards because they have such power. They ought to be critiqued, and they ought to be helped to a greater understanding of the material they write.</p>
<p>By the way, I like this song. I think it&#8217;s dangerous and I like it at the same time. <img src='http://benhutton.com/wordpress/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':)' class='wp-smiley' />  I especially like &#8220;pressed but not crushed, persecuted not abandonded. Struck down but not destroyed. I am blessed beyond the curse for His promise will endure; His joy comes with the morning.&#8221; Perhaps, sing it all you want? Just let&#8217;s never play it in a context where it could be misinterpreted (or maybe correctly interpreted &#8211; maybe the author really did mean heresy, I don&#8217;t know).</p>
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		<title>By: walt</title>
		<link>http://benhutton.com/2008/06/23/what-does-it-mean-to-trade-my-sorrows/comment-page-1/#comment-164</link>
		<dc:creator>walt</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 25 Jun 2008 04:24:37 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>ok, first off, sorry that my post was rather...violent.  i was blowing steam and not being very kind.  for that, i ask your forgiveness.

so i&#039;ll try to make this short and non-harsh.  i get a bit annoyed when people over-analyze things, and that is what i thought you were doing with this song.  i still hold to it as a good song, but i&#039;ll concede it can be misconstrued. so ben, many apologies for being most harsh to you.

rajiv, i agree that much of ccm is pretty bad, but i disagree with the conclusion you make about interpretation.  more on that on ben&#039;s newer post (btw ben, good call for splitting that off).

liang, i thank you for your rebuke, though i would say most of us tend to be overly critical of these things.  the comments i made about looking for the good were based mostly off of c.j. mahaney&#039;s message at text and context, on the idea of looking for evidences of the grace of God in a situation rather than all the imperfections that linger.  this is not saying we shouldn&#039;t correct error, but that all too often we make mountains out of molehills for small infelicities.  and as a poet and songwriter, i take these things a little too personally, because rejecting someone&#039;s craft is in essence rejecting a part of them.  so i&#039;m sorry i went overboard, but i don&#039;t take saying a song, especially one made to praise God, should not be sung lightly.

daniel, that was just poor taste.  seriously, the way you started your comment i would have thought was far below you.  it&#039;s merely inflammatory, with extreme hyperbole that really isn&#039;t helping.  i would hesitate to say this song has a &quot;high probability&quot; of causing errant thinking.  again, it&#039;s not perfect, it can be misconstrued, but i would argue we need to do more with the songs we choose than just sing them.  i am all for going through the lyrics of a song before singing it, digging into whatever goodness that is there, and then worshiping God with a right understanding and a sincere heart, not merely repeating words off a screen.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>ok, first off, sorry that my post was rather&#8230;violent.  i was blowing steam and not being very kind.  for that, i ask your forgiveness.</p>
<p>so i&#8217;ll try to make this short and non-harsh.  i get a bit annoyed when people over-analyze things, and that is what i thought you were doing with this song.  i still hold to it as a good song, but i&#8217;ll concede it can be misconstrued. so ben, many apologies for being most harsh to you.</p>
<p>rajiv, i agree that much of ccm is pretty bad, but i disagree with the conclusion you make about interpretation.  more on that on ben&#8217;s newer post (btw ben, good call for splitting that off).</p>
<p>liang, i thank you for your rebuke, though i would say most of us tend to be overly critical of these things.  the comments i made about looking for the good were based mostly off of c.j. mahaney&#8217;s message at text and context, on the idea of looking for evidences of the grace of God in a situation rather than all the imperfections that linger.  this is not saying we shouldn&#8217;t correct error, but that all too often we make mountains out of molehills for small infelicities.  and as a poet and songwriter, i take these things a little too personally, because rejecting someone&#8217;s craft is in essence rejecting a part of them.  so i&#8217;m sorry i went overboard, but i don&#8217;t take saying a song, especially one made to praise God, should not be sung lightly.</p>
<p>daniel, that was just poor taste.  seriously, the way you started your comment i would have thought was far below you.  it&#8217;s merely inflammatory, with extreme hyperbole that really isn&#8217;t helping.  i would hesitate to say this song has a &#8220;high probability&#8221; of causing errant thinking.  again, it&#8217;s not perfect, it can be misconstrued, but i would argue we need to do more with the songs we choose than just sing them.  i am all for going through the lyrics of a song before singing it, digging into whatever goodness that is there, and then worshiping God with a right understanding and a sincere heart, not merely repeating words off a screen.</p>
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